Comments on: PA Senate Bill No. 246 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/ The blog of record on the painkiller addiction epidemic. —by Brian G. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:29:23 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: swallowed http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-168 swallowed Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:23:26 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-168 Jay: I have updated the link to reflect "Printer's No. 2099", the most current version of the SB246 available at www.legis.state.pa.us. If you find some more specific information, please send me a link. Thanks! Jay: I have updated the link to reflect “Printer’s No. 2099″, the most current version of the SB246 available at http://www.legis.state.pa.us. If you find some more specific information, please send me a link. Thanks!

]]> By: jay http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-167 jay Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:33:30 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-167 is this the entire bill? I know there were other bills before this creating precedent for some of the statues enacted in this law. I am looking for the full bill with all the legal jargon and what Rendell actually saw while he signed it. thanks! is this the entire bill? I know there were other bills before this creating precedent for some of the statues enacted in this law. I am looking for the full bill with all the legal jargon and what Rendell actually saw while he signed it. thanks!

]]> By: Benedict http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-164 Benedict Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:10:01 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-164 As molly so eloquently points out, this bill (now law) is a violation of rights. Specifically, property rights. Under the last clause in the Fifth Amendment, "…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." The PA Clean Indoor Air Act is unconstitutional. Don't think restaurants and bars are private? Check out the Supreme Court case Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner. Private establishments are private! I can't wait till someone takes this one to court, there's no way in hell this latest piece of lunacy will stand up under legal scrutiny. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis As molly so eloquently points out, this bill (now law) is a violation of rights. Specifically, property rights. Under the last clause in the Fifth Amendment, “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” The PA Clean Indoor Air Act is unconstitutional. Don’t think restaurants and bars are private? Check out the Supreme Court case Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner. Private establishments are private! I can’t wait till someone takes this one to court, there’s no way in hell this latest piece of lunacy will stand up under legal scrutiny.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis

]]> By: molly http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-144 molly Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:12:04 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-144 smokers have fucking rights too. if you are afraid of secondhand smoke then don't hang out with smokers. smokers have fucking rights too. if you are afraid of secondhand smoke then don’t hang out with smokers.

]]> By: Lights Out! PA Smoking Ban Goes Into Effect This Week « S W A L L O W http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-142 Lights Out! PA Smoking Ban Goes Into Effect This Week « S W A L L O W Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:41:40 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-142 [...] to other PA Senate Bill No. 246 posts on S W A L L O [...] [...] to other PA Senate Bill No. 246 posts on S W A L L O [...]

]]> By: harold altland http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-141 harold altland Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:41:09 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-141 I read and i spell not so good please read!!!!! The comment of dust and smoke in the work place slica all chems. The smoking is were the the law starts to get companys to get the smoke out you do not under stand the law goes deeper thay want all smoke out all smoke and dust and whatever is floating around ...Putting more burden on us manufactures and sending our jobs away that what it is all about .If you do not see it like i do sorry for you !!!!!!!!!I was at the bar tonight the owner sez he has all the fans in the smoking room in place so it ok to smoke in there is that right ???????????????????????????? I read and i spell not so good please read!!!!! The comment of dust and smoke in the work place slica all chems. The smoking is were the the law
starts to get companys to get the smoke out you do not under stand the
law goes deeper thay want all smoke out all smoke and dust and whatever is floating around …Putting more burden on us manufactures
and sending our jobs away that what it is all about .If you do not see it like
i do sorry for you !!!!!!!!!I was at the bar tonight the owner sez he has all the fans in the smoking room in place so it ok to smoke in there is that
right ????????????????????????????

]]> By: swallowed http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-135 swallowed Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:31:31 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-135 Great comment Andy! I keyed on one part of your comment "this law is TOO restrictive". I believe the argument over "if secondhand smoke is dangerous, and if so how much" detracts from the real issue... choice. What happened to individual choice and individual responsibility?? If you (not Andy-a general "you") don't like smoke while you are eating, don't go to a restaurant that allows smoking. If enough people stop going to smoky restaurants, more will become smoke-free. Remember the concept of "majority rules". Business should be free to make decisions based on what they and/or their customers require. We should not force them. Great comment Andy! I keyed on one part of your comment “this law is TOO restrictive”. I believe the argument over “if secondhand smoke is dangerous, and if so how much” detracts from the real issue… choice. What happened to individual choice and individual responsibility?? If you (not Andy-a general “you”) don’t like smoke while you are eating, don’t go to a restaurant that allows smoking. If enough people stop going to smoky restaurants, more will become smoke-free. Remember the concept of “majority rules”. Business should be free to make decisions based on what they and/or their customers require. We should not force them.

]]> By: Andy J http://swallowed.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/pa-senate-bill-no-246/#comment-134 Andy J Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:49:13 +0000 http://swallowed.wordpress.com/?p=89#comment-134 I think it is a much needed thing in public places, but i disagree strongly about the part in a manufacturing environment. I work in a plant that has far more dangerous elements floating around in the air such as Ammonia, Silica dust, Dust from Nitrated Steel, and numerous oil fumes. I consider having someone smoking by me the least hazardous of my job. I know smoking is not good for your health, but it is the least of my worries when i am at work. There are many worse things i am exposed to at my place of employment, so i think that this law is TOO restrictive!!! I do enjoy going to outside events like races and theme parks so that will be nice not to have to put up with people smoking there, especially the inconsiderate boobs which think it is ok to smoke while in a line waiting to get in or on a ride. I think it is a much needed thing in public places, but i disagree strongly about the part in a manufacturing environment. I work in a plant that has far more dangerous elements floating around in the air such as Ammonia, Silica dust, Dust from Nitrated Steel, and numerous oil fumes. I consider having someone smoking by me the least hazardous of my job. I know smoking is not good for your health, but it is the least of my worries when i am at work. There are many worse things i am exposed to at my place of employment, so i think that this law is TOO restrictive!!! I do enjoy going to outside events like races and theme parks so that will be nice not to have to put up with people smoking there, especially the inconsiderate boobs which think it is ok to smoke while in a line waiting to get in or on a ride.

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